Apocalypse the Other Day: JVC HM30 (24p from 60p) goofing around
Well picked up a JVC HM30 720p camcorder that shoots 60fps to maybe be a knock about cheapie camcorder to be a 2nd camera to my big JVC HD110, and wanted to see how much I could push and abuse the AVCHD-Lite format and camera. Since my friend Sean was going to be in town with his boat, it seemed like a perfect opportunity to find out how much I could stress the AVCHD-Lite format. I also wanted to see how easy could i use 60p source material in with my standard 24p format. Running OLD Final Cut Pro and OLD imovie….. iMovie injested and converted the AVCHD-Lite format into a quicktime movie in about 1/2 of real time.. maybe less. then drag and drop into Final Cut Pro 5 (yes it’s that old) and cut someting together. It was just as simple as it sounded. With the newer Final Cut Pro, there should be no need to import footage via iMovie. As far as the JVC HM30 camera goes. The color gama was pleasantly close to my JVC ProHD gear. The severe lack of any practical controls is a drawback. The shutter and aperture are not adjustable directly nor is there a “LOCK” for the exposure control. To be fair, virtualy none of any camcorders under $500 do that, nor does anything under $1000 do it easily. To get practical control you have to move up to $3000 JVC HM100 or a Panasonic DVX100b (SD but 24p) or possibly one of the newer AVCHD Panasonics that look like the older DVX100. As far this footage? With the lack of shutter control the shutterspeed walks up and down to compensate for …
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are you sure you couldnt? give us MORE detail???
Something else to consider is my point of view.. I’m looking at cameras from the point of Direct to DVD/indie film work/TV broadcast. Bottom end of that line is $2,500 minimum plus accessories. But in general a $500 camcorder is WAY fun for someone and fun uploading? to youtube and sharing moments and who knows, maybe start the bug for indie work (with limitations) So I don’t want to turn people OFF of decent consumer cameras if they are looking to have fun with them.
DSLR’s. I have a little experience with them. MOST are NOT capable of controlling shutter (set 1/48th for example) then wrack aperture like you would think. Most will adjust aperture to maintain exposure, limiting creative control, or WORSE changing shutter speed. So research before you buy DSLR’s. I’ll probably get a Nikon D7000 as a good still camera with decent video capabilities. I don’t know Canon enough, but read reviews? and research before you buy.
Also something to consider for a would be film student. I still say a used Panasonic DVX-100 A or B model 480p at 24fps is still a GREAT camera. They still sell used for about $1,300.. but for $1,500 or so you can get a? used JVC HD100 or HD110 which I like more since it does have 720p and detachable lens. But if you trip over a good deal on a Pansonic DVX100a/b and shoot progressive, it WILL look better than most consumer HD cameras when you export to web/DVD.
(to Skaterkrazed1) Sorry. no threads..? I think the new replacement for JVC’s entry level camcorders have threads and I thought it was AVCHD not AVCHD-lite which will be a big improvement on macro blocking.. The macro blocking you see in this video is NOT youtube usually but in the camera. (fast moving water etc)
(to Jenksandartt) 24p is a slightly different skill than the 60i that many videographers are used to. 24 at 1/48th shutter and pan with something moving. wider aperture to make the background go blurry is also a big help. But even when i taped my friends kids? soccer and softball games I shot 24p and if you pan with action, no one noticed the shutter. Also 30p is to be avoided at ALL costs unless you are ONLY going to post to youtube.. 30p is not supported on DVD/BlueRay/NTSC/PAL/SECOM.
(to Fire1202) I wish I could recommend any camera for under $2,500 but I can’t. If your looking for fun okay cameras the sub $1,000 are usually Canon because you CAN do 24p/148th shutter and are decent. manual control limited or practically do not exist. Unable to control exposure? correctly etc. Also DSLR’s are Cmos which suffers “Jello”vision. so locked off or slow slow pans only. Good for limited use, but not as a main camera. But great for keeping in your car to get a nice sunrise
is it a good idea to shoot in 60i then import in 24p. The reason I ask is because my camcorder (hf m31 canon) looks shaky and jerky on 30p and 24p. But it looks smooth on 60i. What is I? shot in 60 i and imported it in 24p? Would my footage look a little smoother? I like the film look 24 p gives, just hate the skakyness. Should I adjust the shutter? I know a stabilizer would help, but adjusting the shutter, is that the problem?
What camcorder can you recommend for under $400 that shoots 1080p videos well, and with good optical image stabilization? I found two, but they’re not exactly camcorders. More like travel zoom PnS cams. The Panasonic Lumix FZ150 and the Sony HX9V.
It’s difficult finding a camcorder with good OIS, AVCHD compression with high profile, and good image quality. I might just go for broke and get a DSLR + IS lenses.? But it’s a pretty big investment.
Can it? fit a fisheye.. And what size
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If you are looking for a “professional” companion for your HD110, buy an HM1 (GZ-HM1) it has all? the controls you need ON BUTTONS (not menu) and it also has a USER button on which I assigned the WhiteBalance feature. EXCELLENT camera, I use it all the time with my HD110 (I also use 2x GZ-HD6 3ccd HD cameras from time to time ). You can check my videos to get an idea about colors etc.
If u can save another paycheck I would seriously spend $350 for the next to bottom camcorder from? canon. Has 60i, 30p 24p native and less compression with I think a mic input. Or $600 for the older hdv tape canon hv40 I think is the model. That being said the little $200 jvc is nice to have as an aditional camera.
(continued) you CAN export your 30p to DVD/BlueRay as 29.97.. but that is just interlacing your 30p footage.. weird.. or you CAN export as 30p DVD… but what happens is DVD players? read the 24p frames.. then is left with 6 extra frames that are now interlaced and field doubled and attempts to put them up on the screen.. so a static shot of a building would have some weird twitter or flexing in straight lines.. organic shapes (forests) you don’t see it.. man made objects look awful.
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DVD,? Blue-Ray and dead HD-DVD in NTSC regions is 60i but can carry the original 24p image across the same data stream and output 23.96 via HDMI to the HDTV. No provisions for 30p ever in history. You are thinking of 29.97 which is misleading. 29.97 is another way to 60i broadcast.. 60 interlaced fields per second making up 30 “Theoretical frames” Now if your questions is “COULD THEY?” yes, but no one did.. also it would make international sales difficult. HOWEVER
30p was only used experimentally for movies or a couple films 1954 to 1956. No one has tried it since. Now… Jim Cameron is talking about new digital systems that with combined with new digital projectors at 72p 3x the temporal rate of standard 24p… Not sure how that will play around the world with different hz AC. (the whole reason SECOM and PAL use 25p and 50i is because they are 50hz. we are 60hz. There might be work arounds. But of course new formats and new projectors….. ?
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24p and 60i to to NTSC DVD, Blue-Ray. 30p is only for internet (youtube, cell phones etc) 25p and 50i for PAL and 50i for SECOM. 24p can cross from film to NTSC, PAL and SECOM. 25p on PAL can go to 24p NTSC and 50 SECOM. Distributing 30p on DVD or Blu-Ray on NTSC, PAL or SECOM looks WEIRD and bad. I I like to say to, only porn and reality shows? are shot at 60i and 30p isn’t even a pro format and only good for youtube. Now if youtube is your things thats fine.
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I did it for an experiment to see if it was worth to extracting the 24p out of the 60p to intercut with my better 24p cameras. Results are okay if there isn’t much camera movement, but with not being able to control the shutter… it’s not my first? choice. Better to spend $100 more for an entry level Canon with 24p and 1/48th shutter. But I would never recomend 30p for anything other than youtube.. and 60i (29.97) I’ve always hated since before I was a film student.
Crownline 210? CCR?
With it’s wandering shutter and aperture, I doubt this little? camera would play well with my EIKI true telecine 16mm projector or my RCA TP-66. Thoughts ??
(tpcam1) it’s worth considering. inexpensive and fun. manual controls? not really. I used this camera as a 2nd cut away camera in my latest videos, you should check it out. in this video i shot 60p (only option) and rendered out 24p and looks okay except the shutter speed is too fast for 24p. ? Get a couple SD cards and the extended battery and you will have fun. for $199 and $59 for a larger battery it’s hard to go wrong. I pushed the limits of the camcorder in this video. (
Nice? video….. thinking about getting this camera
nice? video…
What computer are you using? I’m on a Mac… so plug in JVC, (play) command, connect to PC etc etc… spark up iMovie (my Final Cut Pro is too old to injest AVCHD so I use iMovie for injestation) iMovie you pick your hard drive, then it makes a new iMovie event with today’s date. If your on? a PC, it should be a similar experience. Does that help?
i got? the same kamera and i have shooted some clip then i plug in to the computer but i cant find the clips where??
Great editing. Perfect music! ? Apocalypse Now! Death of a memory.
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